Tim Minchin slams Pence and Trump, joining Hamilton cast

Comedian, actor and composer Tim Minchin this morning weighed in on the controversial speech delivered by the cast of Broadway musical Hamilton to US vice president elect Mike Pence.

Speaking on Channel Seven’s The Morning Show to promote the Australian tour of Matilda, Minchin was asked if he would support the cast of one of his shows singling out an audience member for a political statement.

Minchin responded, “yeah, of course.”

“Who said there are rules about what you’re allowed to do on stage?” Minchin said.

“[Pence] is a world famous homophobe, and he went to Broadway, which is the safe place of gay, wonderful creative people. Broadway is full of wonderful, gay, hard-working people.

“And he is a self-professed … one of the most powerful now, the most powerful, homophobe in the world. So what did you expect, mate?

“If you came to Matilda and you were known to beat up kids, I hope my cast would say something.”

Minchin went on to refer to Pence’s record on climate change and evolution, as well as his push to direct funding away from HIV/AIDS research and support centres towards institutions “which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior”.

That statement has been taken as support of the often cruel and inhumane gay conversion therapies practiced in certain areas around the world, but Pence’s supporters argue that he was merely advocating for “abstinence”.

“Make no mistake about my politics — I have no sympathy for Mike Pence, a climate denying, evolution denying homophobe,” Minchin continued. “These are factual things that he’s pretending don’t exist. The fact that he’s vice president of America, I mean…

“He’s lucky he didn’t get someone trying to electrocute convert him to homosexuality, which is what he thinks gays should do, the other way around.”

Minchin was asked if there was much comedic value in writing a musical about Donald Trump.

“As a satirist, people are like ‘are you going to write a Trump song?’, and I know American comedians are all like ‘oh my god’. It doesn’t work any more to laugh at a fool. The fool is now the king. When the jester becomes the king, what do we do?”

27 responses to “Tim Minchin slams Pence and Trump, joining Hamilton cast

  1. As an American, I have followed Tim’s work in comedy and music. His use of insightful lyrics and brashness coupled with the touch of humanity he suffuses throughout is something special. One only has to listen to the score of ‘Matilda’ to appreciate his talent. So that’s settled.
    More to the point, he’s spot on with Mike Pence…climate change denier (fool), homophobe (bigot), and an ardent supporter of pushing religious doctrine onto the citizenry (zealot). We have to hunker down here for four years due to an amazing confluence of foolishness and ugliness, but I hope at that point America can start moving forward again…

  2. Minchin is an entertainer, a comedian, who utilises a good measure of sensationalist controversy designed to flatter the biases of his target market of “social progressives”, who happily respond by giving their financial support to his “product”, and thus supplement the lifestyle it affords to him.
    No doubt he has valuable opinions on which car or airline is best/worst. Perhaps there are soft drinks, beers, or brands of jeans that he could promote, or even demonise, to expand and exploit the naive trendiness of his audience of sycophantic followers. My dog growls when he sees/hears Minchin on TV, barks when sees/hears Trump. I value his responses more than I do those of Minchin. Also, my dog is funnier, more entertaining, and more handsome, especially without makeup. He is smarter and can do more tricks.
    I feel sure my dog will outlive the novelty value of Minchin’s already passe theatrical career. Tim has become as boring and predictable as the urbane pigeons who flock to peck at the crumbs of personal prejudice he strategically tosses out to them. But Trump the cat has appeared and the pigeons have taken nervous flight, dropping pellets of S…t, and a swirl of feathers as they take to the air in fright.
    Tim, you need a new formula, a new act, a more modernist identity. We are not short of entertainers, plenty more are awaiting their own moment in the spotlight. “The times they are a changing”.

  3. Luvvies having opinions? Who cares? Post-show political posturing by the cast of Hamilton seems a bit pretentious, but it’s a free country. I like very much seeing performances by, say, Cate Blanchett, but care no more about her views on climate change than I care to see a CSIRO climate specialist attempt to play Vanya. I saw Minchin in STC’s Rosencrantz and Guildernstern are Dead, and he was very, very good, even though playing opposite the very talented Toby Schmitz. But Minchin on politics? As interesting as my neighbor, i.e., not much. I read recently that the Hamilton actor who lectured Pence has a Twitter history of snide, libidinous remarks about white women. Not someone I’d like to meet, but I’d pay to see his acting if he’s as talented as some suggest. As for Trump and Pence, they played off the tiresome politics of political correctness expertly. So now we have the opportunity to see how they will govern. Everyone hyperventilating about their impressive win maybe should have the proverbial bex, cuppa, and a good lie down.

  4. As governor vice president elect Pence tried to withhold money for AIDS treatment for the supposed conversion of homosexuals. That is not a hard right position necessarily but a hard Christian position. A governor trying to impose his religiously based beliefs on the population of his state is in this case not only Wickedbut unconstitutional and profound un-American. When I raise my right hand and swore to defend the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic it is now with a heavy heart that I realize that one of them will soon be vice president.

    1. No, it’s not very Christian at all. It only looks that way due to there being a pile of merchants in the temple in the USA who shout very loudly that they are Christians when it is really an afterthought after profit and politics.

  5. I love Tim Minchin. I have followed him for years! before he had wife and kids, i loved his speech at Adelaide uni, i live what he stands for and wish I could have a dinner party with him and several others. have many albums or DVDs and I cant find anything negative to say about the rock singing legend who ahead of his time has made me laugh hysterically cry and fall out of my wheelchair. Up on a pedestal cos hes a National fucking treasure.

  6. I don’t comment on these articles, tho I often do read them. In this case however (apart from noting that the right haven’t offered any arguments, just insults), there is only one comment worth making-

    As deluded / ignorant / evil Pence is, he looks good beside Trump!

  7. Mr Minchin likes to conflate with his thought bubbles..climate change has nothing in common with evolution..but Timmy thinks that if someone doesn’t accept the theory of evolution,they’ll be a wacky climate change denier as well.

    1. Firstly Mr Minchin is talking specifically with regards to Mike Pence who as far as I understand at least publically holds both positions.

      Secondly the two do have a lot in common in terms of tactics and that they are attacks on widely studied and accepted (within the scientific community) explanations for physical phenomena. Furthermore, a lot of the evidence for Climate Change* relies on accepting that the age of the earth is more than a few thousand years old so you are going to find that young earth creationists in particular tend not to be accepting of science of climate change.

      * by climate change I mean rapid climate change; mostly but not exclusively of the warming variety in the late 20th / early 21st century and driven by human activity.

  8. I do object to the notion that people in the public eye – specifically people within the arts and entertainment community – are not entitled to voice their opinions. As members of the human race they are just as entitled to voice that opinion as you or I. If you don’t want the opinion of a celebrity, then don’t look for it or just don’t listen to it.

    1. The problem with celebrity opinions (for me) is twofold.

      The first is they’re hard to miss. The cut and paste of twitter feed that passes for journalism these days have most news sites with subtle headlines such as “ELLEN DEGENERES’S EPIC SLAPDOWN” and similar such tosh.

      I don’t click them, but it’s an irritant.

      Second (and more importantly) are the opinions of the entertainer class themselves. They are uniformly bland and dull (with an emphasis on the uniform).

      They are boring. It’s not their job to be boring. Stick with what you’re good at people.

  9. Paul is wrong about Tim’s talent – he’s a national treasure. However I do agree with him about being utterly bored with “celebrities” banging on with their political views.

    How did Beyonce’s and Jay Z’s endorsements go down?

    Also for Tim to conflate Pence’s conservative christian views and opinions with beating up children is overegging the pudding. Which was Paul’s point, the progressive left *have* overreached and we’ll be paying for their righteousness with Hanson.

    Which is shit for the rest us really.

  10. We are all created in Gods image. Except the gays. And women of course. And those with bits of both. But probably those without dangly bits are ok.

  11. Paul says “…maybe try to win a argument, not drown out opposition to your view”. Drown out opposition? How is calling out homophobia, calling out someone’s stupidity in denying the science of climate change and evolution “drowning out opposition to your view”? Drowning, are you? Drowning in ignorance, yes.
    Ian is “with Paul”, also drowning in ignorance, apparently.
    Yes, Jonathan, you can’t win an argument with people who don’t accept facts . You said it.
    Haven’t seen any facts here yet, except from John (well said, sir).

  12. Gee Paul and Ian – the words and actions to which you refer are attributable to an outspoken future Vice President of arguably the most powerful nation. Mr. Minchin is within his rights to call attention to Mr’ Pence’s political acts and statements. Perhaps the average punter may not be aware of Mr. Pence’s use of public forums and funds to advance his hard-right agenda. Further, perhaps you could suggest how one advances an argument by selectively ignoring facts that are inconvenient to the opposing view? As for you assessment of Mr. Minchin’s talent and by inference Mr. Brand’s… what’ve you done to advance the arts or contemporary thought that qualifies you as a critic, if I may ask? It would appear though that you are well qualified regarding pretentious form.

  13. Paul is (as, clearly, is John) a terribly ordinary, untalented member of the … oh my god, is this a personal attack from an average punter? At least present an argument for the average punter to shoot at! Minchin did.

  14. You guys sill haven’t taken the hint have you – words from this terribly ordinary, untalented member of the celebrity left will never win over the average punter. What’s next – another incarnation of Russell Brand.
    For once, move anyway from the personal attacks,(usually in as pretentious forms as possible) – maybe try to win a argument, not drown out opposition to your view.

    1. Paul needs to move away from the personal attacks like him calling Tim Minchin a ” terribly ordinary, untalented member of the celebrity left”. Legions of theatregoers around the world, comedy festival patrons and millions of average punters think very differently to Paul about Minchin and his work. Incidentally, Paul comment offers no argument, just insults.

      1. I find it so cute the way Paul attacks Tim on a personal level, complete with insults, then advises Tim to “move away from the personal attacks…”

        Wait, did I say cute? I meant hugely hypocritical and reeking of someone who doesn’t have an ounce of self awareness.

        Personally, I find Tim to be a talented, intelligent, fun and funny man, with boundless musical abilities and the immense courage to stand up in front of the world and tell the truth about the people in it, which is something very few people have the balls to do. And unlike us, he’s putting his full name, his face, his life and his career out there when he has his say, and risking it all to do what’s right and humanitarian, not just hiding behind a single name or alias on the internet. Would that all of us had his courage, or his morals for that matter.

        When people say they don’t like him, the real reason is usually because they don’t like the truths he tells, or are bigoted against the minorities he speaks out for, not because they truly believe he lacks talent or is ‘ordinary’. Me, I can’t imagine anyone less ordinary than Tim.


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